Rumores Caos

Empecemos con éste tema. Parece ser que hay una filtración de GW china con el contenido de la caja básica y las hojas de estadísticas y según se cuenta ahora cabe la posibilidad de que el Codex Marines del Caos salga en Agosto. Ya veremos... (Copiado de http://natfka.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/leak-6th-edition-starter-set-contents.html )

We now have what appears to be a leak, and of course its in Chinese. However its already be translated for us, and this is now what appears to be in the starter set slated for a September release. Here are the pages, and I will let you know if I find anything else!

Look at the stat lines on this, and then take a look at what has been translated for us. If anyone wants to confirm or add to the translations, we of course would all very appreciative. I grabbed what I could for you guys here, and since I cannot even come close to reading chinese, I can barely tell up from down on these sheets.

Now we have no real confirmation this is a true leak, so lets chalk it up as a rumor until we get more information.

via tokugawa
DA has :
Captain Balthasar(with power armor, not in TDA)
Librarian(with power armor)
Tactical Sqaud(10 men, with 1 plasma cannon)
Deathwing Squad(5 men, with storm bolters, no Stormshield)
Ravenwing Squad(3 bikes)

Chaos part:
Lord(in power armor)
Chaos Dread(with tl-melta and DCCW)
Chosen(6 men, with power maul, power fist and lightning claw)
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)


Via TheDude and translated spaint2k
Dark Angels
Captain Balthasar: w/ Power Armour, Power Sword, Combi-Plasma, Frag & Krak grenades

Librarian Termiel (SP?): w/ Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Frag & Krak grenades

Deathwing Squad Balachar (SP?): Sergeant w/ Storm Bolter & Power Sword, 1 w/ Assault Cannon & Power Fist, 1 w/ Storm Bolter & Chainfist and 2 w/ Storm Bolter & Power Fist

Tactical Squad Raphael: Sergeant w/ Plasma Pistol & Chainsword and 9 Marines, 1 w/ Plasma Cannon, 1 w/ Plasma Gun, 7 w/ Bolters. All with Bolt Pistol and Frag & Krak grenades

Ravenwing Squad Allian (SP?): Sergeant w/ Chainsword, 1 w/ Plasma Gun and 1 w/ Bolt Pistol. All with twin-linked bolters and Frag & Krak grenades

Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Lord: Power Armour, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Dreadnought (Seems to be named as "Hellbeast"): Multi Melta and Power Fist

Chosen: Sergeant w/ Power Maul, Bolt Pistol & Bolter. One with a lightning claw, one with Power Axe, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, one with Power Fist, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, two with Close Combat Weapons, Bolters & Bolt Pistols. All have Power Armour, Frag & Krak grenades

Cultist squad 1: Cultist leader w/ two Close Combat Weapons and 9 Cultists, one w/ Flamer, 8 w/ Close Combat Weapons & Autopistols

Cultist squad 2: Cultist leader w/ Close Combat Weapon & (possibly) Shotgun and 9 Cultist, 1 w/ (possibly) Heavy Stubber and 8 w/ Autoguns



The leaked Chinese summary sheets from the starter set show Cultists as having Guard stats, but with a 6+Sv
It also shows them with access to Autoguns or Autopistol and CCW as well as options for Flamers and Heavy Stubbers.
Their Squad leaders can also take Shotguns or two CCW for some reason.

Me gusta me gusta me guuuusta !! >_<

Finalmente se copiaran del dawn of war 2 e incluiran los adoradores hereticos... interesante. A ver si con eso podremos invocar demonios con mas facilidad o joder al adversario.

O a caso el tema de los adoradores ya era de antaño ???

los cultitas eran de mis quecos favoritos de DoW vaya panda, molara la caja basica como en asalto a black reach

Alguien sabe si se podran crear capitulos desde 0, añadiendo habilidades y negando otras ?

Corrección, Legiones, no capitulos...

Ya se acercan. Según dicen las malas lenguas el codex está siendo distribuido ya y puede que esté a la venta en agosto o como muy tarde a primeros de septiembre. En tapa dura como los del fantasy, total ya es casi el mismo sistema. Tropas de culto de élite que pasan a línea con el cuartel adecuado, arrasadores de cuerpo a cuerpo aparte los clásicos, un dragón volador mu cafre al parecer, campeones con el poder del ojo de los dioses ese del fantasy que pueden acabar transformándose en príncipes demonio en plena partida a base de liquidar héroes y criaturas monstruosas o andadores, maldecir vehículos, alterar terreno, maquinas demonio y todo tipo de ranciedades varias. Desgraciadamente de demonios nada. El que los quiera que se alíe con los cutres del otro codex. A ver si es verdad que sale pronto.

Release date – 1st September (7 weeks he said) and it is a hard back like the 8e WFB Army Books.There is an Eye of the Gods esque table (Warriors of Chaos players will know what I am talking about) that you get to roll on whenever a character kills another character in a challenge, or a Walker or Monstrous Creature. There is a multitude of gifts (and curses) that your Characters can acquire which range from +1 Save, +1 Toughness, or becoming either a Spawn or a Daemon Prince!!!Chaos Cultists are definetely in (but we all kinda know that already), as is the ‘Dragon’ – think Necron Night Scythe with the main chassis been replaced by a massive mechanical dragon head with segmented wings sweeping forward and around from it. On top of those there are also:

Dark Apostles – evil Chaplains basically
Warp Smiths – evil Techmarine that can curse vehicles and degrade terrain.
A new Daemon Engine – half way between a Dreadnought and a Defiler.
Speaking of Defilers as they are Daemons they have a 5+ Inv save.
‘Cult’ units are all Elites and are unlocked to Troops by appropriate HQ choices, but there are no Cult Terminators which makes me sad.
Obliterators are exclusively for shooting – so no powerfists. BUT there is a new unit which is basically a close combat Obliterator.
There are 2 types of Raptors now; regular CSM with Jump Packs, and then some kind of Possessed Daemonic Raptors that all come with Lightning Claws!
Possessed are meant to be amazing, and take a lot of benefits from the Eye of the Gods esque table.
There are NO Daemons in the Codex because that is what Allies are for.


That is all I can remember for now. Sorry I am VERY tired. But regardless I have to say I am excited to see the Codex in the flesh and get cracking on some themed lists with Allied Daemons or Guard (for a proper Lost and the Damned army).

Pues empezamos bien,no hay exterminadores de culto y la unica unidad nueva un obliterator de combate cuerpo a cuerpo,y la tabla de regalos del caos se la pueden meter por el ojete,solo falta encima que abbadon se convierta en un engendro.

Uff, parece que los van a asemejar peligrosamente a los de fantasy. Que manía con juntar ambos sistemas. A ver que hacen...

Pues meter la pata. La tabla del signo del caos es una mierda en fantasy (que a lo mejor es cojonuda y ganas partidas con tirar los dados) pero a nivel de juego es un ñordon.

Luzbel escribió:campeones con el poder del ojo de los dioses ese del fantasy que pueden acabar transformándose en príncipes demonio en plena partida a base de liquidar héroes y criaturas monstruosas o andadores

Yo ya con eso nada mas, en caso de ser cierto en el codex, soy feliz. O_o
Buscar la demonicidad en medio de una partida ?? tiene que ser divertido.

Los rumores persisten en confirmar que el manual del Caos sale en agosto. Si los de faeit no se equivocan el mes que viene tenemos el manual, 3 vehículos voladores (incluyendo uno del caos), la mitad de las minis del Caos y la otra mitad en septiembre junto a la caja de inicio de 6ª y en octubre los Angeles Oscuros con todas sus miniaturas. Espero que sea verdad el rumor de que a partir de ahora GW va a sacar codex y/o unidades nuevas vía enano blanco o web todos los meses. Novedades de fantasy 40.000 a cascoporro para drenarnos a fondo.

Segun Faeit eso son los lanzamientos,pero tambien dice que la WD no esta todavia en imprenta,y eso puede indicar que retrasen algun lanzamiento

uno que dice que en su tienda de GW hay Fiesta de codex nuevo en agosto.

Sip,parece que 5 de agosto,en poco tiempo vamos a comprobrar si es verdad la nueva politica de lanzamientos de GW.Ojala sea cierto:cada 3 meses codex nuevo,y cada 4 años edicion nueva (que son exactamente 16 codex x 3 meses) y en medio varios lanzamientos en WD.

Y si es cierto,el tendero estara de vacaciones con el lanzamiento de codex,pobre del que tenga que abrir Estalia,porque habra invocacion masiva de seguidores caoticos avidos de sangre y almas.

.......y la cantidad de jugadores que siempre An sido caóticos y no lo saben.

Me tendre que esperar a que salga el codex para irme de vacaciones xDD

Con la venida del Caos, todo es fiesta

Los ultimos rumores dicen que en la WD no viene una mierda de marines del caos,sino nuevos demonios y cambios de reglas sobretodo en el fantasy (nerfeo de los incineradores a F4,un carro de slaanesh nuevo,....)

Espero que sea un puto bulo,porque diria que no casa con la sexta edicion una Wd con cosas de fantasy

pues parece ser que si, que vienen demonios Si les cambiaran las reglas de despliegue estaria muy bien.

Lo que quiero saber es si hay aviones para os tau, eldar y tiranidos.

Si cuando uno reza a los demonios del caos al final me da que hasta te hacen caso y todo!!!

Los marines del caos tienen odio a todos los adeptus custodes

Los demonios llegan en agosto, minis y/o reglas.



Un vídeo sin codex? Querrá ésto decir como cascan en los mentideros que en la enano blanco de agosto actualizarán el codex como hicieron con las hermanas? En 5 días en sus pantallas...

Son las miniaturas nuevas de demonios. Portadores en plástico y demás. Con esto se desmienten los rumores del codex de marines del caos en agosto, se habla ahora de septiembre.

Por otra parte, y como rumor separado, se dice que en la GW vendrán reglas para 20 unidades nuevas o algo así. Podría esto significar que actualizan de algún modo a los demonios, o incluso a varios codex que estén obsoletos con la 6ª.

Lo dicho que llegan los demonios en un par de dias!!! yujuuuuu

El codex marines del Caos pasa como pronto a octubre porque en septiembre sale la caja de inicio. Aunque quien sabe con seguridad en éstos tiempos convulsos...

No se, algunos rumores hablaban "con seguridad" para septiembre, pero a saber. Son rumores al fin y al cabo. El caso es que se me hace raro que el contenido de la caja sea ese, y que no actualicen el libro antes, ya que hay miniaturas sin perfil en la caja.

Directamente desde Bok


Release date: September 1st (my guess as well)
-Hard back (my guess as well)
-There is an Eye of the Gods-like table ~like the WFB Warriors of Chaos table.
You get to roll on whenever a character kills another character in a challenge, or a Walker or Monstrous Creature. There is a multitude of gifts (and curses) that your Characters can acquire which range from +1 Save, +1 Toughness, or becoming either a Spawn or a Daemon Prince!!! (Sorta True — trying to lump all the funky stuff into one table is not totally accurate. CSM codex is table land. Expect many random charts and upgrades it will be hard to keep track.)
-Chaos Cultists are in (true– said this and others before)
-The Dragon flyer is in – think Necron Night Scythe with the main chassis replaced by a massive mechanical dragon head with segmented wings sweeping forward and around from it. (True – The thing looks like a dragon head attached to the Owl from Clash of the Titans)
-Dark Apostles – ~Word Bearers rejoice!!! (True– but more of cultist leader/moral buffer)
-Warp Smiths – Chaos Techmarines that can curse vehicles and degrade terrain. ~maybe they’ll have anti-psychotic grenades ( True -Think Doc Ock )
-New Daemon Engine – half way between a Dreadnought and a Defiler. (True -I would say halfway between Defiler and Trygon)
-Defilers are Daemons and have a 5+ Inv save. (Yes a Demon, and some extra lovin…)
-’Cult’ units are all Elites and are unlocked to Troops by appropriate HQ choices (True- Said this before, but have some good news on that front)
-No Cult Terminators ~boo hiss!!! (-True, boo hiss!!!)
-Obliterators are exclusively for shooting – so no powerfists. (-False they will shoot, but still have a powerfist)
HOWEVER there is a new unit which is basically a close combat Obliterator. (True)
-There are 2 types of Raptors now: regular CSMs with Jump Packs, and Possessed Daemonic Raptors with Lightning Claws. (True)
-Possessed take multiple benefits from the Eye of the Gods table. (not sure)
-NO Daemons in the Codex. (true, but allies FTW!)

–Important Designer Note–

The new CSM codex is not a return to the 3rd edition codex, this is the successor to Gav Thorpe’s creation– the current CSM codex. Unlike before Phil Kelly was put in charge of building from the ground up; Space Wolves, Dark Eldar, and Orks codexes he instead has taken a much more subtle approach with the CSM Codex. This is not the reinvention of the wheel at its core this is a validation for Gav Thorpe and perhaps if you could ask Gav, Phil Kelly’s CSM codex would have been the codex he wished he could have written, but wasn’t allowed to.

–What will be Released–

We will know if GW has changed policy. This codex will reveal if GW has abandoned the wave method to model release with a new codex or if they have stopped caring and show you all the new models even if they don’t come out right away.

Finecast: Dark Apostle, Warsmith, New Lord, Oblits, All Old Special Characters not updated already

New Plastic: Dragon, Raptors, Dreadnaught, Demon Engine, Assault Oblits, Chosen

Upgrade Packs: Plague Marines, 1k Sons, Emperor’s Children

–General Changes–

Almost all of the old units are either the same point cost or have gotten cheaper. With the notable exceptions of Chosen, Terminators, Defilers getting more expensive. The notable cheaper ones being basic CSM, Oblits, Zerkers, The CSM is really an upgrade codex, while things have gotten cheaper you will be hard pressed to keep your units inexpensive with all the wargear you can add. The cheaper units doesn’t come without a cost as well, almost all units saw a LD drop. Also you will start to see a lot of the new USRs in the CSM book.

–What has stayed the Same–

The Cult units are the same in stats and basic wargear. No new Spacial Characters. Abbadon is still the only one with Eternal Warrior. Demon Weapons still can kill you. The Dreadnaught is still Crazy. The unit sizes have stayed the same as well as the wargear options found in the old codex; e.g. Chosen can still get a butt load special weapons.

–Psychic Powers–

As can you expect each Chaos God gives their chosen Sorcerer access to their own set of spells. That allows you to pick from Basic Spells and the new ones for each God. If anyone was wondering Lash of Submission is gone.

Ok now that we got the basics out-of-the-way let us get to the good stuff

–Daemons–

A good number of units in the CSM codex have this USR.
•Raptors
•Oblits
•CC Oblit
•Defilers
•Demon Engines
•Dragons
•Possessed
•Demon Prince

–It Will Not Die–

Wonder who was getting this new USR well you guessed it CSM is.
•Dragons
•Defilers
•Demon Engines

–Demon Possessed–

Demon possessed just got a whole bunch cuter really. Instead of not being able to embark in demon possessed vehicles they now will only eat one of your guys and repair itself. Otherwise works the same way as before lose BS and ignore shaken and stunned, In addition some things get wargear automatically.
•Dragons
•Defliers
•Demon Engines

–Challenges–

All CSM characters must always accept challenges

–Icons and Marks–

Marks and Icons are both purchasable by most units. That means you have five new Icons and the same four marks, in which units can have a combination of two. This is a list of the USRs and stat bonus possible.
•Fearless
•FnP
•+1 T
•+1 Invul Save
•Rage
•Soul Blaze
•Furious Charge
•Fear
•+1 I

–Space Marines Better Hide–

Almost all CSM units get Hatred Space Marines. Now I am not sure if this includes all Space Marine variants or just Smurfs and friends.

–?Eye of the Gods Table?–

Yeah this will be the chart to end all charts and competitive players will cry everywhere because it is random. All 60+random abilities! Yes you heard it right over 60! How it works I don’t know, but characters can get multiple rolls on the chart through various methods.

Time for some specific models right? Sure why not!

–Dragon–

Oh the Dragon yeah the model on everyone mind. This is a CSM answer to other flyers it is designed almost exclusively to hunt and destroy other flyers. Clocking in about the same points cost of Carnifex these little hell on wings Vector Strike and bring pain to a lot of things. Did I mention it gets to re-roll wounds and armor pens.

–Demon Engines–

The other mystery model that has been leaked. These guys sit on the large bases like Trygons. They have an assortment of special weapons that have never been seen before. They are designed for Building and Heavy armor destruction with Melta CC weapons and bonuses against buildings. They as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pens. Side note: Defilers as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pen.

–Dragons, Demon Engines, Defilers oh my-

So let me put this in perspective. All these models ignore shaken and stunned, have 5+ invul saves, re-roll wounds and armor pens, and can recover wounds and hull points lost.

–Cult Units–

I know much of the Internet was crying about them only being in the Elite slot when I first mentioned it. How dare they force me to take Kharn to spam Berserkers! Well don’t worry is not as bad as you think. You can also get a generic Lord and buy the correct mark and unlock them as troops as well. As for the rules themselves just minor changes.
•Zerkers: Rage, Cheaper
•1k Sons: Soul Fire, Same cost
•Emperor Children: Weapons Ignore cover and now have Salvo USR, Cheaper
•Plague Marines: Poison Weapons, More Expensive

–Typhus and Cultists–

Typhus is now a mastery level 2 sorcerer of Nurgle. In addition as reported earlier he can make any cultist a zombie. Zombies are going to be disgusting in 6th edition. FnP, Fearless, Fear, and all for no additional cost. As for Cultists they are cheap not conscript cheap, but close. You can get over 30 of them in a squad.

–Daemon Princes, Sorcerers , Chaos Lords–

Princes got more expensive wargear bringing them in line with the Demon Codex. Sorcerers are pretty much the same with the ability to buy up to Master level 3, but they only ever have 2 wounds. Chaos Lords are where it seems to be at, Phil Kelly wants you to design a Lord tailored to your army, their list of wargear options is easily the largest of any model in the book. Also remember they allow you to make Cult Units troops.

Ok that is all I got for now, depending on how the week goes and what GW does I might get more rumors for you, but until now that is all I got. Wait, no I just remembered something…


Warlords Cometh

If you are currently complaining about Warlord traits being too random well play that violin some more. GW really wants you to use them! The CSM codex has it’s own Warlord chart, but the big announcement is some characters have specific Warlord Traits! These are built into the cost of the model, so no taking them out!